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2. Animal Sacrifice and the Third Temple
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[i]Blood Ritual
2. Animal Sacrifice and the Third Temple[/i]
[Image: bloodhand2.jpg] Blood Ritual: — Blood ritual is fundamental to Judaism. Some blood sanctifies, some blood defiles. Let's see what the Talmud doctrines are.



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The Great He-Goat by Goya, 1821-1823 (22)
 
Many Americans associate the ritual killing of animals and the spattering and smearing of their blood with Satanism. But in fact ritual killing of animals and the spattering and smearing of their blood is a fundamental part of Judaism.
 
MISHNAH. The he-goats of new moons and festivals are slaughtered in the north, and their blood is received in a service vessel in the north, and their blood requires four applications … — Zebahim 52b




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Dome of the Rock
 
This mosque currently stands on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, along with Al Aqsa mosque.
 
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Some rabbi urge Israel to take complete control of the Temple Mount, demolish the mosques, and build the Third Temple in their place.
 
"It has been suggested that they be removed, transferred to and rebuilt at Mecca." (24)
 
Building the Third Temple is a vital goal of Judaism, and necessary for the restoration of what Rabbi Dr. Isidore Epstein calls, "the sacrificial cult;" that is, animal and vegetable sacrifice. Some Judeo-Christians consider rebuilding the Third Temple is key to the return of Jesus.




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Rebuilding the Temple
 
MISHNAH 2. At the south-western corner [of the foundation] there were two openings like two fine nostrils through which the blood which was poured on the western side of the foundation and the southern side flowed down till the two streams became mingled in the channel, through which they made their way out to the Brook of Kidron. — Tamid 30b
 
"The Temple now lays in ruins, and the nation of Israel is in exile. In order for our prayers that the Temple be rebuilt and that the entire nation of Israel be returned to our land to be accepted on the highest level possible, we have to truly mean what we are saying. Mere lip service will accomplish very little. On the Fast of the Tenth of Teves, our goal should be to mourn over the destruction, repent, and pray to G-d with deep feelings. Hopefully, if each and every one of us can arouse even a small spark of the "kavana" that our prophets had when praying for the Temple, we will see the Temple rebuilt soon." — Rabbi Yehudah Prero (14)




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Rabbi Dr. Isidore Epstein, editor of the Soncino Talmud.
 
"In fact the prayers for the restoration of sacrifices that figure so largely in our Liturgy are specifically restricted to obligatory sacrifices … 'May it be Thy will that the Temple be rebuilt speedily in our days and grant us our portion in Thy Law.'" — Rabbi Dr. Epstein (11)




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HE PINCHED OFF ITS HEAD CLOSE BY ITS NECK, BUT DID NOT SEVER IT, AND HE SPRINKLED ITS BLOOD ON THE WALL OF THE ALTAR; THE RESIDUE OF THE BLOOD WAS DRAINED OUT ON THE BASE. ONLY THE BLOOD BELONGED TO THE ALTAR, WHILE THE WHOLE OF IT BELONGED TO THE PRIESTS. — Zebahim 64b, prescribing sacrifice of birds.



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Sprinkling blood was the most important part of ritual.
 
MISHNAH. The slaughtering of the bullock and the he-goat … their blood requires sprinkling between the staves [of the Ark], on the veil, and on the Golden Altar — Zebahim 47a
 
MISHNAH. … On completing the flaying he tore out the heart and squeezed out the blood in it. — Tamid 31a




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Jesus Threatens Sacrificial Cult
 
The Cleansing of the Temple by Giotto, 1276-1336
 
And the Jews' Passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
 
And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
 
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
John 2:13-15 (KJV)
 
And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves;
 
And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple.
 
And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.
 
And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine.
Mark 11:15-18 (KJV)
 
There is no record of Jesus sacrificing animals, as directed in Leviticus. Nor did he teach animal sacrifice. Here, he hindered. He said, "My house shall be called … the house of prayer."
 
The ritual of animal sacrifice in the Temple was greatly concerned with vessels of several types, as a Biblical search on "vessel" shows. When Jesus would not permit "any man to carry any vessel through the Temple," he brought the sacrificial cult to a halt. See Was Jesus a Jew?




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Rabbi Shmuley Boteach is a Kabbalist and author of Judaism for Everyone. Under the heading, "Contempt for Hunting and Divine Sports," Rabbi Boteach writes: "Hunting is anathema to a religion that will sanction the killing of an animal only for human survival and sustenance and finds it grotesque when used as a form of recreation. It was my Jewish upbringing that made me feel so repulsed when I first came to live in Great Britain and observed highly cultured civilized men and women taking obvious delight in shooting innocent animals." — Rabbi Boteach (13)
 
Animal sacrifice is not mentioned by Rabbi Boteach, though the Temple (1st and 2nd) is listed in index seven times. Rabbi Boteach also states:
 
"The Jewish laws of kashrut were established to wean man away from violence and to learn to abhor the sight of blood. The Jew must be taught to detest death, abhor blood, and recoil from unnecessarily hurting any of God's creatures." — Rabbi Boteach(3)




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"Many Orthodox Jews and Fundamentalist Christians actively support the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem. The Christians who agitate for this restoration do so because they believe it is God's will that sacrificial religion be restored. They see the resumption of Temple worship as a sure sign of the Second Coming of Christ. And those Jewish people who are anxious to see the resumption of Temple worship believe that ever since the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple, almost two thousand years ago, God has been awaiting the resumption of animal sacrifice … And among Jewish people, there are prescribed prayers for the restoration of sacrificial worship. 'Lord Our God, look with favor on Thy people Israel their prayer. Restore worship to Thy Temple in Zion and with loving grace accept Israel's offering and prayer.' The Traditional Prayer Book for Sabbath and Festivals" — Humane Religion (15)
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"My torah portion begins with God calling to Moses from the Tent of Meeting. God tells Moses to tell the Israelite people what kind of cattle to use in a sacrifice. Then God says how to prepare the sacrifice of the herd (beef or cow cattle), from the flock (sheep or goats), and of birds. God says a lot of detail over how to prepare and offer animals for sacrifices. My torah portion is almost entirely about preparing animal sacrifices. Today, sacrificing animals is considered foreign and unpleasant. Most people today say it is morally offensive and cruel to animals. I don't think that sacrifices were cruel or unpleasant in ancient times; because they were considered appropriate and necessary to express appreciation in God. Sacrifices were meant to unite the worshiper with God. The worshiper felt united with God when he gave a sacrifice because he was giving a part of himself to God. Thus he felt that God was more a part of him." — Bar Mitzvah candidate J. Smiley (16)




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Subordinate Nature
 
"The animal sacrifice is the act by which we are taught the idea of subordination of nature to the Creator. The sacrificed beast, the wood to feed the flame on the altar and the salt which accompanies every sacrifice symbolize the animal, plant and mineral realms: everything converges with the aim of serving the Almighty and only exists for this purpose." — Rabbi Abraham M. Hassan (17)




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Temple Vessels for the future Temple of Jerusalem
 
"Two of the important treasures for the worship in the Third Temple that we have in our center. The right-hand one is used by the priests for washing and purifying their hands and feet before going to worship and the other was used to carry the holy water in the worship. (Exodus 30:17-21)" — Temple Mount Faithful (20)
 
"More than ever, the Temple Mount and the vision of the rebuilt Temple have become the focus of Israel and the entire world. The activities of the Movement have been instrumental in bringing this about. When we started, we were like a voice in the wilderness … Construction of the Seven-Branched Menorah: Our wonderful friends continue to donate gold and jewelry for this purpose. Each piece of donated gold brings its construction closer. The Biblical message to our generation is to consider the example set by people who donated gold, silver and funds for the Tabernacle. Their generosity should encourage all of us." — Temple Mount Faithful (20)

 
Many Americans associate the ritual killing of animals and the spattering and smearing of their blood with Satanism. But in fact ritual killing of animals and the spattering and smearing of their blood is a fundamental part of Judaism.

[i][b]MISHNAH.The slaughtering of the bullock and the he-goat
… their blood requires sprinkling between the staves [of the ark],
on the veil, and on the golden altar …
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— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Zebahim 47a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 238
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Laws of ritual sacrifice are found in the Seder Kodashim. (23) In his Introduction to that Seder, Rabbi Dr. Isidore Epstein, editor of the Soncino Talmud, explains that in animal sacrifices, sprinkling blood was the most important part of the ritual.
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Quote:The sacrifices involved a series of acts of which the sprinkling of the blood was the most important in the case of animal sacrifices, and the burning of the handful (Komez) in the case of vegetable offerings.

— Rabbi Dr. Epstein (1)
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Prayers to Revive Sacrificial Cult
Rabbi Dr. Epstein points out that although ritual sacrifice has not been practiced since the destruction of the Second Temple (70 A.D.):
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  • Judaism has maintained "prayers for the restoration of sacrifices that figure so largely in our Liturgy," (7) and
  • Many Jews are convinced that "the beginning of the redemption" and a return to the sacrificial cult is at hand. (6)
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Dr. Epstein tells us why many Jews have taken a deep and personal interest in the Seder Kodashim. He calls the Jewish hope for the restoration of the Temple and the sacrificial cult "unquenchable."
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Quote:The Gemara on the 'Order' Kodashim is a testimony to the strong interest which the teachers of the Palestinian and Babylonian schools continued to take in the sacrificial cult even after its cessation with the destruction of the Temple. This interest was more than merely historical and academic. It was based on strictly practical considerations. There were in fact two motives that kept alive the study of the Seder Kodashim even after its laws had fallen into disuse. One sprang from [b]the unquenchable hope that the Temple would sooner or later be rebuilt, involving the restoration of the sacrificial cult[/b], so that the knowledge of its laws would once again become essential. The other was the belief that the study of the sacrificial laws could serve as a surrogate for the Temple cult and was no less efficacious than the actual offering of the sacrifice itself. These motives lay behind the unceasing intellectual activity that centered around the Seder Kodashim throughout the intervening centuries to the present day, and which has crystallized itself in a mass of commentaries on the 'Order'; and in our own times the conviction that has seized many minds that we are witnessing the Athhalta de-Geulah ('beginning of redemption') has led to the assiduous study of Seder Kodashim in many of the higher schools of learning in the Holy Land.

— Rabbi Dr. Epstein (6) (emphasis added)
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Writing in 1948, Rabbi Dr. Epstein lamented the practical problems that stood in the way of the restoration of ritual sacrifice.
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Quote:The enormous legal difficulties involved in the restoration of sacrifices within our present social and political framework places the whole question outside the realm of practical halachah.

— Rabbi Dr. Epstein (21)
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Now with the changing political situation in the Middle East, the barriers to the return of the sacrificial cult are rapidly being removed. Some observers predict that Israel may take complete control of the Temple Mount (site of the Muslim Al-Haram al-Sharif, the Noble Sanctuary), dismantle the Muslim shrines, and erect the Third Temple on the site. Some Israelis are presently preparing to rebuild the Temple according to the description in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament). The Temple Institute is designing the altar where animals are to be slaughtered, constructing the priests' breastplates and sacred vessels, and attempting "to rekindle the flame of the Holy Temple in the hearts of mankind." (12)
(Note: In the following Talmud excerpts, we often omit non-essential footnotes.)

Killing the Animals and Sprinkling the Blood
It is time to turn to the Talmud. Several Tractates — the Tamid, Zebahim, and Middoth — provide us with a wealth of details on the sacrificial rites at the Second Temple two thousand years ago, rites that Jews so earnestly pray will be restored. Here is the full text of the excerpt from above:
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Quote:[b]MISHNAH.[/b] WHICH IS THE PLACE [FOR THE RITES] OF SACRIFICES? THE SLAUGHTERING OF SACRIFICES OF THE HIGHER SANCTITY IS AT THE NORTH [SIDE OF THE ALTAR]. THE SLAUGHTERING OF THE BULLOCK AND THE HE-GOAT OF THE DAY OF ATONEMENT IS [DONE] AT THE NORTH, AND THE RECEPTION OF THEIR BLOOD IS [PERFORMED] WITH SERVICE VESSELS AT THE NORTH, AND THEIR BLOOD REQUIRES SPRINKLING BETWEEN THE STAVES [OF THE ARK], ON THE VEIL, AND ON THE GOLDEN ALTAR; [THE OMISSION OF] A SINGLE APPLICATION OF THESE INVALIDATES [THE CEREMONY]. THE RESIDUE OF THE BLOOD HE [THE PRIEST] POURED OUT ON THE WESTERN BASE OF THE OUTER ALTAR, BUT IF HE DID NOT POUR IT OUT, HE DID NOT INVALIDATE [THE SACRIFICE].

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Zebahim 47a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 238
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He-Goats of New Moons Sacrificed in the North
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Quote:[b]MISHNAH.[/b] PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SIN-OFFERINGS (THESE ARE THE PUBLIC SIN-OFFERINGS: THE HE-GOATS OF NEW MOONS AND FESTIVALS) ARE SLAUGHTERED IN THE NORTH, AND THEIR BLOOD IS RECEIVED IN A SERVICE VESSEL IN THE NORTH, AND THEIR BLOOD REQUIRES FOUR APPLICATIONS ON THE FOUR HORNS.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Zebahim 52b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 266
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Slaughterer and Blood Sprinkler Chosen by Lot
The priests cast lots to decide who will slaughter and who will sprinkle the blood. This Mishnah comes from Chapter III of the Tractate Tamid. It is lengthy, so we will discuss it in sections, and provide you with the full Mishnah in the Appendix: Mishnah of Tamid Chapter IV.
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Quote:[b]MISHNAH.[/b] THE SUPERINTENDENT THEN SAID TO THEM: COME AND CAST LOTS, TO SEE WHO IS TO SLAUGHTER THE ANIMAL, AND WHO IS TO SPRINKLE THE BLOOD, AND WHO IS TO CLEAR THE ASHES FROM THE INNER ALTAR, AND WHO IS TO CLEAR THE ASH FROM THE CANDLESTICK, AND WHO IS TO LIFT THE LIMBS ON TO THE ASCENT, [NAMELY] THE HEAD, THE RIGHT LEG, THE BREAST AND THE NECK AND THE TWO FLANKS WITH THE ENTRAILS, ALSO THE FINE FLOUR AND THE GRIDDLE CAKES AND THE WINE.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Tamid 30a
Soncino 1961 Edition, pages 18

Quote:[b]MISHNAH.[/b]THE SLAUGHTERER DID NOT KILL UNTIL HE HEARD THE SOUND OF THE GREAT GATE BEING OPENED.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Tamid 30b
Soncino 1961 Edition, pages 19-20
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Sacrifice Is Trussed
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Quote:[b]MISHNAH.[/b] THEY DID NOT USE TO TIE UP THE LAMB BUT THEY STRUNG ITS LEGS TOGETHER. THOSE ON WHOM THE LOT FELL FOR THE LIMBS TOOK HOLD OF IT. IT WAS STRUNG UP IN SUCH A WAY THAT ITS HEAD WAS TO THE SOUTH WHILE ITS FACE WAS TURNED TO THE WEST, AND THE SLAUGHTERER STOOD TO THE EAST OF IT WITH HIS FACE TURNED TO THE WEST.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Tamid 30b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 22
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Killing on Correct Side of Altar
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Quote:[b]MISHNAH.[/b] … THE MORNING SACRIFICE WAS KILLED BY THE NORTH-WESTERN CORNER OF THE ALTAR AT THE SECOND RING, WHILE THE EVENING SACRIFICE WAS KILLED BY THE NORTH-EASTERN CORNER AT THE SECOND RING.


— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Tamid 30b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 2
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Casting Blood on Correct Side of Altar
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Quote:[b]MISHNAH.[/b] … WHILE ONE SLAUGHTERED ANOTHER RECEIVED THE BLOOD. THE LATTER PROCEED TO THE NORTH-EASTERN CORNER AND CAST THE BLOOD ON THE EASTERN AND NORTHERN SIDES; HE THEN PROCEEDED TO THE SOUTH-WESTERN CORNER AND CAST THE BLOOD ON THE WESTERN AND SOUTHERN SIDES. THE REMNANT OF BLOOD HE POURED OUT AT THE SOUTHERN BASE OF THE ALTAR.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Tamid 30b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 22
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Ritual Dismemberment
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Quote:[b]MISHNAH.[/b] … HE DID NOT USE TO BREAK THE LEG, BUT HE MADE A HOLE IN IT AT THE JOINT AND SUSPENDED IT FROM THERE. HE THEN BEGAN TO FLAY IT AND WENT ON UNTIL HE CAME TO THE BREAST. WHEN HE CAME TO THE BREAST HE CUT OFF THE HEAD AND GAVE IT TO THE ONE TO WHOSE LOT IT HAD FALLEN. HE THEN CUT OFF THE LEGS AND GAVE THEM TO THE ONE TO WHOSE LOT THEY HAD FALLEN.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Tamid 31a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 22-23
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Blood Wrung from Heart
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Quote:[b]MISHNAH.[/b] … ON COMPLETING THE FLAYING HE TORE OUT THE HEART AND SQUEEZED OUT THE BLOOD IN IT.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Tamid 31a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 23
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Priests Assigned Body Parts
The Mishnah goes on to state that the forelegs, the right leg and the two testicles, etc., are each given to the priest who, by the drawing of lots, had been assigned those body parts. The slaughterer then tore open the carcass so that it was all exposed before him. He put the fat on top of the place where the head had been severed. (Tamid 31a.) The Mishnah continues:
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Quote:[b]MISHNAH.[/b] … HE TOOK THE INWARDS AND GAVE THEM TO THE ONE WHOSE LOT THEY HAD FALLEN TO WASH THEM. THE STOMACH WAS WASHED VERY THOROUGHLY IN THE WASHING CHAMBER, WHILE THE ENTRAILS WERE WASHED AT LEAST THREE TIMES ON MARBLE TABLES WHICH STOOD BETWEEN THE PILLARS. HE THEN TOOK A KNIFE AND SEPARATED THE LUNG FROM THE LIVER AND THE FINGER OF THE LIVER FROM THE LIVER, BUT WITHOUT REMOVING IT FROM ITS PLACE.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Tamid 31a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 23
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The Mishnah goes on to describe the carving of the entire animal, the breast, the flanks, the spine, neck, ribs, tail, kidneys, etc. and the distribution of the body parts to the correct priests.
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Quote:[b]MISHNAH.[/b] … HE HOLLOWED OUT THE BREAST AND GAVE IT TO THE ONE TO WHOSE LOT IT HAD FALLEN. HE CAME TO THE RIGHT FLANK AND CUT INTO IT AS FAR AS THE SPINE, WITHOUT HOWEVER TOUCHING THE SPINE, UNTIL HE CAME TO THE PLACE BETWEEN TWO SMALL RIBS. HE CUT IT OFF AND GAVE IT TO THE ONE TO WHOSE LOT IT HAD FALLEN, WITH THE LIVER ATTACHED TO IT. HE THEN CAME TO THE NECK, AND LEAVING TWO RIBS ON EACH SIDE OF IT HE CUT IT OFF AND GAVE IT TO THE ONE TO WHOSE LOT IT HAD FALLEN, WITH THE WINDPIPE AND THE HEART AND THE LUNG ATTACHED TO IT.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Tamid 31a
Soncino 1961 Edition, pages 23-24
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And so the Mishnah continues, describing the distribution of all the organs, limbs, and other body parts.
Priests All Standing with Limbs in Their Hands
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  • The first priest held the head and the right hind leg.

Quote:[b]MISHNAH.[/b] … BY THIS TIME THEY WERE ALL STANDING IN A ROW WITH THE LIMBS IN THEIR HANDS. THE FIRST HAD THE HEAD AND THE [RIGHT] HIND LEG. THE HEAD WAS IN HIS RIGHT HAND WITH ITS NOSE TOWARDS HIS ARM, ITS HORNS BETWEEN HIS FINGERS, AND THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SEVERED TURNED UPWARDS WITH THE FAT COVERING IT. THE RIGHT LEG WAS IN HIS LEFT HAND WITH THE PLACE WHERE THE FLAYING COMMENCED AWAY FROM HIM.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Tamid 31a, 31b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 24
  • The second priest has the two forelegs, the right leg in his right hand, and the left leg in his left hand.
  • The third priest has the tail bone and the other hind leg, the tail bone in his right hand with the tail hanging between his fingers and the finger of the liver and the two kidneys with it.
  • The fourth priest has the breast and the neck, the breast in his right hand and the neck in his left hand.
  • The fifth priest has the two flanks, the right one in his right hand, and the left one in his left hand.
  • The sixth priest has the "inwards" (innards) on a platter with the knees on top.
  • The seventh priest had the fine flour.
  • The eighth priest had the griddle cakes.
  • The ninth priest had the wine.
Quote:[b]MISHNAH.[/b] … THE SEVENTH HAD THE FINE FLOUR, THE EIGHT THE GRIDDLE CAKES, THE NINTH THE WINE. THEY WENT AND PLACED THEM ON THE LOWER HALF OF THE ASCENT ON ITS WESTERN SIDE, AND SALTED THEM AND CAME DOWN AND WENT TO THE CHAMBER OF HEWN STONE TO RECITE THE SHEMA.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Tamid 31b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 25
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After the slaughtering, blood sprinkling, and separation of limbs and organs, the priests leave the body parts on the side of the altar and retire to another chamber to recite the Shema, a Jewish prayer (see Soncino Talmud Glossary).
Sprinkling the Blood of Birds
In a sin-offering, the slaughter of birds and smearing their blood is prescribed thus:
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Quote:[b]MISHNAH.[/b] HOW WAS THE SIN-OFFERING OF A BIRD SACRIFICED? HE PINCHED OFF ITS HEAD CLOSE BY ITS NECK, BUT DID NOT SEVER IT, AND HE SPRINKLED ITS BLOOD ON THE WALL OF THE ALTAR; THE RESIDUE OF THE BLOOD WAS DRAINED OUT ON THE BASE. ONLY THE BLOOD BELONGED TO THE ALTAR, WHILE THE WHOLE OF IT BELONGED TO THE PRIESTS.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Zebahim 64b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 316
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Certain Fingers Used To Smear Blood
The following Gemara discusses some of the fine points:
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Quote:[b]GEMARA.[/b] … How was the blood of the public and the private sin-offerings applied? He went up the ascent, turned to the surrounding balcony, and passed on to the south-east horn, where he dipped his right finger — i.e., the index finger of his right hand — into the blood in the bowl, and supported it with his thumb on this side and his little finger on the other, and applied it with a downward movement against the edge of the horn until all the blood on his finger was gone, and thus [he did] at every horn? — This is what he means: Its regulation is [that it be applied] at the edge; yet if he applies it within a cubit in either direction, we have no objection … —

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Zebahim 53a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 267
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Washing Blood from the Hands
When a priest's hands become bloody, the need for washing may or may not be dependent upon whether the blood spurted on his hands before after he flayed, or before or after he sprinkled. The rabbis discuss the issue. (Ellipsis in second paragraph is present in original Soncino text.)
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Quote:[b]GEMARA.[/b] … Rabin son of R. Adda said to Raba: Your disciple said in R. Amram's name: It was taught: If [the priest] was sprinkling, and [the blood of] the sprinkling spurted out of his hand, [and this happened] before he had sprinkled, it needs washing; after he had sprinkled, it does not need washing. Surely this is what he means: [If it happened] before he finished sprinkling, it needs washing; after he finished sprinkling, it does not need washing. — No: this is what he means: before the sprinkling had left his hand, it necessitates washing; after it had gone forth from his hand, it does not need washing.
 
Abaye raised an objection to him: When he finished sprinkling, he wipes his hand on the body of the heifer. Thus, only if he finished, but not if he had not finished! — Said he to him: When he finished, he wiped his hand on the body of the heifer; before he finished, he simply wiped his finger. Now, when he finishes, it is well: he wipes his hand on the body of the heifer, as it is said, And the flesh shall he burn in his sight, [her skin, and her flesh, and her blood … shall be burnt]. But on what does he wipe his finger? — Said Abaye: On the edge of the bowl, as it is written, Wipers [cleansers] of gold.
 
[b]MISHNAH.[/b] IF [THE BLOOD] SPURTED ON TO THE SKIN, BEFORE IT WAS FLAYED, IT NEED NOT BE WASHED; [IF IT SPURTED] AFTER IT WAS FLAYED, IT MUST BE WASHED: THESE ARE THE WORDS OF R. JUDAH. R. ELEAZAR SAID: [IT NEED NOT BE WASHED] EVEN [IF IT SPURTED] AFTER IT WAS FLAYED. ONLY THE PLACE OF THE BLOOD NEEDS WASHING. AND WHATEVER IS ELIGIBLE TO CONTRACT UNCLEANNESS, AND IS FIT FOR WASHING, WHETHER A GARMENT, A SACK, OR A HIDE, MUST BE WASHED. THE WASHING MUST BE IN A HOLY PLACE; THE BREAKING OF AN EARTHEN VESSEL MUST BE IN A HOLY PLACE; AND THE SCOURING AND RINSING OF A BRAZEN VESSEL MUST BE IN A HOLY PLACE. IN THIS THE SIN-OFFERING IS MORE STRINGENT THAN [OTHER] SACRIFICES OF HIGHER SANCTITY.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Zebahim 93b
Soncino 1961 Edition, pages 451-452
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Blood Drained Into Brook

Tractate Middoth of the Seder Kodashim provides a description of the Second Temple. Chapter III, Mishnah 2 provides us with this detail of the direction of the flow of blood, and bears witness to the quantity of blood that issues forth from Temple sacrifices:
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Quote:[b]MISHNAH 2.[/b] AT THE SOUTH-WESTERN CORNER [OF THE FOUNDATION] THERE WERE TWO OPENINGS LIKE TWO FINE NOSTRILS THROUGH WHICH THE BLOOD WHICH WAS POURED ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE FOUNDATION AND THE SOUTHERN SIDE FLOWED DOWN TILL THE TWO STREAMS BECAME MINGLED IN THE CHANNEL, THROUGH WHICH THEY MADE THEIR WAY OUT TO THE BROOK OF KIDRON.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Middoth, Chapter III, Mishnah 2
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 12
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Notice that, according to the above Mishnah, there was so much bloody run-off that two "nostrils" were built into the Temple and blood flowed through them and into a brook. Rabbi Dr. Epstein confirms the frequency of these sacrifices.
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Quote:There were obligatory sacrifices, and there were voluntary sacrifices. There were collective sacrifices brought in the name of the entire community: the early morning and afternoon sacrifices, and the additional sacrifices on Sabbaths, New Moons, Festivals, and the Day of Atonement; and there were besides individual sacrifices. Some sacrifices were honorific in character and were offered in worship or as an expression of homage to God; others were piacular and were brought in expiation of sin; others again were tributary and presented in recognition of God as bestower of the gifts of Nature. To the honorific belong the peace-offering (shelem, plur. shelamim), the thank-offering (todah), and the burnt-offering ('olah). The sin-offering (hattath) and guilt-offering (asham) belong to the piacular; and included in the tributary are the firstlings (bekoroth) and the cattle tithes (ma'aser behemah).

— Rabbi Dr. Epstein (2)
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Wealth Displayed in Sacrificial Chamber
From the Mishnah of Tamid 30a-30b, we learn that ninety-three (93) vessels of silver and gold are brought into the sacrifice chamber. These are the vessels in which the blood of the sacrifices is collected. This passage further describes the signs of great wealth on display.
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Quote:[b]GEMARA.[/b] … There were thirteen tables in the Temple. There were eight of marble in the slaughter house on which they used to wash the inwards; two to the west of the ascent, one of marble and one of silver — on the marble one they used to put the limbs and on the silver one vessels of service, two in the Porch on the inner side by the door of the Sanctuary, one of silver and one of gold — on the silver one they used to place the Shewbread when it was first brought in, and on the gold one when it was taken out, because with holy things we always go a step higher and not a step lower; and one of gold in the inner place on which the Shewbread always rested. Now let us see. There must be no sign of poverty in the abode of wealth. (2) Why then was the table made of marble? It should have been made of silver or even gold! R. Hinnena answered in the name of R. Assi, and R. Assi in the name of R. Samuel b. R. Isaac: Because [the metal] would heat the flesh.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Tamid 31b
Soncino 1961 Edition, pages 25-26
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Note these words in the above passage.
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Quote:[b]GEMARA.[/b] … There must be no sign of poverty in the abode of wealth. (2)

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Tamid 31b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 26
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Soncino Tamid translator Maurice Simon amplifies the text in a footnote:
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  1. A maxim frequently quoted in the Talmud: cf. supra.

— Maurice Simon (4)
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Sacrificial Cult and Jesus of Nazareth
In John 2, we learn that the Second Temple was the scene of a lucrative business, set up to sell animals and birds for ritual slaughter. Jesus of Nazareth condemned this practice; at one time he tipped over tables and drove out the shop keepers and animals with a scourge.
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  1. And the Jews' Passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
     

  2. And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
     

  3. And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
     

  4. And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

John 2:13-16 (KJV)
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For further discussion of this incident, see Was Jesus a Jew? (31)
Ritual Sacrifice Designed to Perfect Mankind
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Quote:The grave view which the Bible takes of ritual sins is bound up with the significance of the ritual law. It is almost a truism that the ritual law of the Torah has for its purpose the religious and moral perfection of man. Have not the sages of the Talmud already declared that the precepts have been given only to ennoble mankind? … Thus conceived, the ritual law is charged with a moral and religious dynamism capable of transforming the individual and, through the individual, the society of which he forms a unit. The disregard of a ritual precept is accordingly no longer a private affair; in so far as it lowers man's moral fibre and his power of resistance to evil, every ritual offence is in a sense a social offence.

— Rabbi Dr. Epstein (8)
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Human Perfection Comes through Israel
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Quote:Thus do the grim and tragic experiences of our time only serve to confirm the attitude of traditional Judaism to the ritual law as an indispensable aid to moral law; and the restoration of the obligatory offerings in the days to come can only serve to strengthen and safeguard the ritual law for the regeneration and perfection of Israel and, through Israel, of the whole of humanity.

— Rabbi Dr. Epstein (7)
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Obligatory Sacrifices Are Statutory
Rabbi Dr. Epstein states that ritual law transforms a society; therefore, to disregard a ritual precept is to commit an offense against society.
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Quote:Thus conceived, the ritual law is charged with a moral and religious dynamism capable of transforming the individual and, through the individual, the society of which he forms a unit. The disregard of a ritual precept is accordingly no longer a private affair; in so far as it lowers man's moral fibre and his power of resistance to evil, every ritual offence is in a sense a social offence.

— Rabbi Dr. Epstein (8)
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What Lies Ahead?
As we have already noted, in 1948, Rabbi Epstein saw grave practical difficulties in the restoration of the sacrificial cult. Those barriers are now dissolving. As we go to press, plans are well underway to build the Third Temple in Israel. The Temple Institute describes its work:
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Quote:The major focus of the Institute is its efforts towards the beginning of the actual rebuilding of the Holy Temple. Towards this end, the Institute has begun to restore and construct the sacred vessels for the service of the Holy Temple. These vessels, which G-d commanded Israel to create, can be seen today at our headquarters in Jerusalem. They are made according to the exact specifications of the Bible, and have been constructed from the original source materials, such as gold, copper, silver and wood. These are authentic, accurate vessels, not merely replicas or models. All of these items are fit and ready for use in the service of the Holy Temple. Among the many items featured in the exhibition are musical instruments played by the Levitical choir, the golden crown of the High Priest, and gold and silver vessels used in the incense and sacrificial services. After many years of effort and toil, the Institute has just recently completed the three most important and central vessels of the Divine service: the seven-branched candelabra, or Menorah, made of pure gold; the golden Incense Altar, and the golden Table of the Showbread.

— The Temple Institute (12)
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Rabbi Segal explains the importance of the Temple Mount:
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Quote:The mount on which the Temple stood, Mount Moriah, "The Temple Mount," is the source of our willingness to sacrifice, to give of ourselves for our people and G-d. This mesirut nefesh, dedication and self-sacrifice, has its foundation on this Mountain. Abraham was willing to sacrifice - the Bible even states that he rose early that morning, hurrying to fulfill G-d's will — Abraham was willing to sacrifice and offer his only son to G-d. From this we have drawn our strength and ability, from this the Jews today in the Soviet Union draw the strength to endure their suffering.

— Rabbi Moshe Tzvi Segal (28)

Quote:This point is neither studied nor taught today, that we can restore our sovereignty only by having the Temple Mount in our hands. Sovereignty over the Land of Israel is impossible while the Temple Mount is in the hands of a (any) foreign religion. The Temple Mount must be in the hands of a Sovereign Kingdom of Israel, to give expression to G-d's sovereignty over Israel. This is brought out all through the Bible, all through our literature and thought.

— Rabbi Moshe Tzvi Segal (29)
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A reader visiting the Temple Institute site will be impressed by the Institute's plans. Those plans are not merely theoretical — they are concrete and immediate: "Our short-term goal is to rekindle the flame of the Holy Temple in the hearts of mankind. Our long-term goal is to do as much as possible to bring about the building of the Holy Temple in our time." This effort is obviously very well funded, on the order of a government project, well beyond what a private foundation could manage. Notice in that description, the years of effort spent on the construction of solid gold vessels for the temple service. Other pages describe gold and silver woven into cloth for the priestly vestments and crowns.
According to the Chancellor of the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, Ismar Schorsch, Orthodox institutions in Israel are heavily dependent on government money. A considerable sum of US taxpayer money is given to Israel each year. That means the US taxpayer is arguably subsidizing the Israeli effort to reconstruct the Temple, cast the solid gold altar accessories, and to spread Orthodox Judaism through the world.
Information concerning the Noble Sanctuary from http://www.noblesanctuary.com
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Slated for Relocation?
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July 14, 2003 ( This article is on line at http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/br_2.html )
 
Postscript: Jesus struck at the heart of the animal sacrifice system, and before the end of the week, He was crucified. The Temple incident was not His only attack on rabbinical and Mosaic law. In a number of passages, Jesus shows clearly He does not support the church of his day. See Was Jesus a Jew? (http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/jesus.html)

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Appendix: Mishnah of Tamid Chapter IV
This Mishnah begins in Tractate Tamid 30b and extends into Tractate Tamid 31b.
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[b]MISHNAH.[/b] THEY DID NOT USE TO TIE UP THE LAMB BUT THEY STRUNG ITS LEGS TOGETHER. THOSE ON WHOM THE LOT FELL FOR THE LIMBS TOOK HOLD OF IT. IT WAS STRUNG UP IN SUCH A WAY THAT ITS HEAD WAS TO THE SOUTH WHILE ITS FACE WAS TURNED TO THE WEST, AND THE SLAUGHTERER STOOD TO THE EAST OF IT WITH HIS FACE TURNED TO THE WEST. THE MORNING SACRIFICE WAS KILLED BY THE NORTH-WESTERN CORNER OF THE ALTAR AT THE SECOND RING, WHILE THE EVENING SACRIFICE WAS KILLED BY THE NORTH-EASTERN CORNER AT THE SECOND RING. WHILE ONE SLAUGHTERED ANOTHER RECEIVED THE BLOOD. THE LATTER PROCEEDED TO THE NORTH-EASTERN CORNER AND CAST THE BLOOD ON THE EASTERN AND NORTHERN SIDES; HE THEN PROCEEDED TO THE SOUTHWESTERN CORNER AND CAST THE BLOOD ON THE WESTERN AND SOUTHERN SIDES. THE REMNANT OF THE BLOOD HE POURED OUT AT THE SOUTHERN BASE OF THE ALTAR. [31a] HE DID NOT USE TO BREAK THE LEG, BUT HE MADE A HOLE IN IT AT THE JOINT AND SUSPENDED IT FROM THERE. HE THEN BEGAN TO FLAY IT AND WENT ON UNTIL HE CAME TO THE BREAST. WHEN HE CAME TO THE BREAST HE CUT OFF THE HEAD AND GAVE IT TO THE ONE TO WHOSE LOT IT HAD FALLEN. HE THEN CUT OFF THE LEGS AND GAVE THEM TO THE ONE TO WHOSE LOT THEY HAD FALLEN. ON COMPLETING THE FLAYING HE TORE OUT THE HEART AND SQUEEZED OUT THE BLOOD IN IT. HE THEN CUT OFF THE FORE LEGS AND GAVE THEM TO THE ONE TO WHOSE LOT THEY HAD FALLEN. HE THEN WENT BACK TO THE RIGHT LEG AND CUT IT OFF AND GAVE IT TO THE ONE TO WHOSE LOT IT HAD FALLEN, AND THE TWO TESTICLES WITH IT. HE THEN TORE OPEN THE CARCASE SO THAT IT WAS ALL EXPOSED BEFORE HIM. HE TOOK THE FAT AND PUT IT ON TOP OF THE PLACE WHERE THE HEAD HAD BEEN SEVERED. HE TOOK THE INWARDS AND GAVE THEM TO THE ONE TO WHOSE LOT THEY HAD FALLEN TO WASH THEM. THE STOMACH WAS WASHED VERY THOROUGHLY IN THE WASHING CHAMBER, WHILE THE ENTRAILS WERE WASHED AT LEAST THREE TIMES ON MARBLE TABLES WHICH STOOD BETWEEN THE PILLARS. HE THEN TOOK A KNIFE AND SEPARATED THE LUNG FROM THE LIVER AND THE FINGER OF THE LIVER FROM THE LIVER, BUT WITHOUT REMOVING IT FROM ITS PLACE.
 
HE HOLLOWED OUT THE BREAST AND GAVE IT TO THE ONE TO WHOSE LOT IT HAD FALLEN. HE CAME TO THE RIGHT FLANK AND CUT INTO IT AS FAR AS THE SPINE, WITHOUT HOWEVER TOUCHING THE SPINE, UNTIL HE CAME TO THE PLACE BETWEEN TWO SMALL RIBS. HE CUT IT OFF AND GAVE IT TO THE ONE TO WHOSE LOT IT HAD FALLEN, WITH THE LIVER ATTACHED TO IT. HE THEN CAME TO THE NECK, AND LEAVING TWO RIBS ON EACH SIDE OF IT HE CUT IT OFF AND GAVE IT TO THE ONE TO WHOSE LOT IT HAD FALLEN, WITH THE WINDPIPE AND THE HEART AND THE LUNG ATTACHED TO IT. HE THEN CAME TO THE LEFT FLANK IN WHICH HE LEFT TWO THIN RIBS ABOVE AND TWO THIN RIBS BELOW; AND HE HAD DONE SIMILARLY WITH THE OTHER FLANK. THUS HE LEFT TWO ON EACH SIDE ABOVE AND TWO ON EACH SIDE BELOW. HE CUT IT OFF AND GAVE IT TO THE ONE TO WHOSE LOT IT HAD FALLEN, AND THE SPINE WITH IT AND THE MILT ATTACHED TO IT. THIS WAS REALLY THE LARGEST PIECE, BUT THE RIGHT FLANK WAS CALLED THE LARGEST, BECAUSE THE LIVER WAS ATTACHED TO IT. HE THEN CAME TO THE TAIL BONE, WHICH HE CUT OFF AND GAVE TO THE ONE TO WHOSE LOT IT HAD FALLEN, ALONG WITH THE TAIL, THE FINGER OF THE LIVER AND THE TWO KIDNEYS. HE THEN TOOK THE LEFT LEG AND CUT IT OFF AND GAVE IT TO THE ONE TO WHOSE LOT IT HAD FALLEN. BY THIS TIME THEY WERE ALL STANDING IN A ROW WITH THE LIMBS IN THEIR HANDS. [31b] THE FIRST HAD THE HEAD AND THE [RIGHT] HIND LEG. THE HEAD WAS IN HIS RIGHT HAND WITH ITS NOSE TOWARDS HIS ARM, ITS HORNS BETWEEN HIS FINGERS, AND THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SEVERED TURNED UPWARDS WITH THE FAT COVERING IT. THE RIGHT LEG WAS IN HIS LEFT HAND WITH THE PLACE WHERE THE FLAYING COMMENCED AWAY FROM HIM. THE SECOND HAD THE TWO FORE LEGS, THE RIGHT LEG IN HIS RIGHT HAND AND THE LEFT LEG IN HIS LEFT HAND, THE PLACE WHERE THE FLAYING COMMENCED BEING TURNED AWAY FROM HIM. THE THIRD HAD THE TAIL BONE AND THE OTHER HIND LEG, THE TAIL BONE IN HIS RIGHT HAND WITH THE TAIL HANGING BETWEEN HIS FINGERS AND THE FINGER OF THE LIVER AND THE TWO KIDNEYS WITH IT, AND THE LEFT HIND LEG IN HIS LEFT HAND WITH THE PLACE WHERE THE FLAYING COMMENCED AWAY FROM HIM. THE FOURTH HAD THE BREAST AND THE NECK, THE BREAST IN HIS RIGHT HAND AND THE NECK IN HIS LEFT HAND, ITS RIBS BEING BETWEEN TWO OF HIS FINGERS. THE FIFTH HAD THE TWO FLANKS, THE RIGHT ONE IN HIS RIGHT HAND, AND THE LEFT ONE IN HIS LEFT HAND, WITH THE PLACE WHERE THE FLAYING COMMENCED AWAY FROM HIM. THE SIXTH HAD THE INWARDS ON A PLATTER WITH THE KNEES ON TOP OF THEM. THE SEVENTH HAD THE FINE FLOUR, THE EIGHTH THE GRIDDLE CAKES, THE NINTH THE WINE. THEY WENT AND PLACED THEM ON THE LOWER HALF OF THE ASCENT ON ITS WESTERN SIDE, AND SALTED THEM AND CAME DOWN AND WENT TO THE CHAMBER OF HEWN STONE TO RECITE THE SHEMA'.

— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Tamid 30b-31b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 22-25
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Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Sanhedrin

Folio 64a
'Be silent, for one must not make mention of the name of the Lord.'1  [He said this] because his father and mother had not taught him [to serve the Lord], and straightway he brought forth an idol from his bosom, embracing and kissing it, until his stomach burst, his idol fell to the earth, and he upon it, thus fulfilling the verse, And I shall cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols.2  — That too was after they became addicted thereto.
Come and hear: And they cried with a loud voice unto the Lord their God.3  Now what did they say? — Rab Judah, or as others maintain R. Jonathan said: [They cried this:] 'Woe, woe, it is that [sc. idolatry] which destroyed the Sanctuary, burnt the Temple, slew the righteous, and exiled Israel from their land; and still it sports amongst us! Hast Thou not set it before us that we might be rewarded [for withstanding its allurements]? But we desire neither temptation nor reward!'4  — That too was after they were seduced by it. [Continuing Rab Judah's statement:] They fasted for three days, entreating for mercy; thereafter their sentence fell from Heaven, the word emeth [truth] written upon it. (R. Hanina said: This proves that the seal of the Holy One, blessed be He, is emeth.) The shape of a fiery lion's whelp issued from the Holy of Holies, and the Prophet said to Israel, That is the Tempter of Idolatry. Whilst they held it fast, a hair [of its body] fell out, and his roar of pain was heard for 400 parasangs.5  [In perplexity] they cried: 'What shall we do? Maybe Heaven will pity him !' The prophet answered: Cast him into a lead cauldron, and cover it with lead to absorb his voice, as it is written, And he said, This is wickedness; and he cast it into the midst of the ephah: and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth
 
 
 
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thereof.6  Then they said, 'Since the time is propitious, let us pray that the Tempter of Sin [may likewise be delivered into our hands].' So they prayed and it was delivered into their hands. They imprisoned it for three days; after that they sought a new laid egg for an invalid in the whole of Palestine and could not find one.7  Then they said, 'What shall we do? Shall we pray that his power be but partially destroyed?8  Heaven will not grant it.' So they blinded it with rouge. This was so far effective that one does not lust for his forbidden relations.
Rab Judah said in Rab's name: A gentile woman once fell sick. She vowed, 'If I recover, I will go and serve every idol in the world.' She recovered, and proceeded to serve all idols. On reaching Peor, she asked its priests, 'How is this worshipped'? They replied, 'People eat beets, drink strong drink, and then uncover themselves before it.' She replied, 'I would rather fall sick again than serve an idol in such a manner.' But ye, O House of Israel,9  were not so [as it is written, Slay ye every one his men] that were joined unto Baal Peor:10 ye were attached to it like an air-tight lid.11 Whereas, Whilst ye that did cleave unto the Lord your God,12  implies merely like two dates sticking to each other.13  In a Baraitha it has been taught: that were joined unto Baal Peor: [loosely] like a bracelet on the hands of a woman;14  whereas Whilst ye that did cleave unto the Lord your God indicates that they were firmly attached.15
Our Rabbis taught: Sabta, a townsman of Avlas,16  once hired an ass to a gentile woman. When she came to Peor, she said to him, 'Wait till I enter and come out again.' On her issuing, he said to her, 'Now do you wait for me too until I go in and come out again.'
 
 
 
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'But,' said she, 'are you not a Jew?' He replied, 'What does it concern thee?' He then entered, uncovered himself before it, and wiped himself on the idol's nose, whilst the acolytes praised him, saying, 'No man has ever served this idol thus.'
He that uncovers himself before Baal Peor thereby serves it, even if his intention was to degrade it. He who casts a stone at Merculis thereby serves it, even if his intention was to bruise it.
R. Manasseh was going to Be Toratha.17  On the way he was told, 'An idol stands here.' He took up a stone and threw it at the idol's statue. Thereupon they said to him: 'It is Merculis'. He said to them, 'But we have learned, HE WHO CASTS A STONE FOR MERCULIS18  THEREBY SERVES IT.' So he went and inquired at the Beth Hamidrash [whether he had done wrong, since his action was a gesture of contempt]. They informed him, We have learned, HE WHO CASTS A STONE AT MERCULIS19  [thereby serves it] — that is to say even if it is merely to bruise it. He said to them, 'Then I will go and remove it.' But they replied, 'Whether one casts a stone or removes it, he incurs guilt, because every stone thus removed leaves room for another.'
MISHNAH. HE WHO GIVES OF HIS SEED TO MOLECH INCURS NO PUNISHMENT UNLESS HE DELIVERS IT TO MOLECH AND CAUSES IT TO PASS THROUGH THE FIRE. IF HE GAVE IT TO MOLECH BUT DID NOT CAUSE IT TO PASS THROUGH THE FIRE, OR THE REVERSE, HE INCURS NO PENALTY, UNLESS HE DOES BOTH.
GEMARA. The Mishnah20  teaches idolatry and giving to Molech.21 R. Abin said: Our Mishnah is in accordance with the
 
 
 
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view that Molech worship is not idolatry. For it has been taught, [if one causes his seed to pass through the fire,] whether to Molech or to any other idol he is liable [to death]. R. Eleazar son of R. Simeon said: If to Molech, he is liable; if to another idol, he is not.
Abaye said: R. Eleazar son of R. Simeon and R. Hanina b. Antigonus said the one and same thing. R. Eleazar son of R. Simeon, that which has just been stated. R. Hanina b. Antigonus — as it has been taught: R. Hanina b. Antigonus said: Why did the Torah employ the word Molech? To teach that the same law applies to whatever they proclaimed as their king, even a pebble or a splinter.22 Rabina23  said: The difference between them is in respect of a temporary Molech.24

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Original footnotes renumbered. See Structure of the Talmud Files
  1. Amos VI, 10.
  2. Now this too shows that the child had really been taught to believe in it.
  3. Nehem. IX, 4. This was on the fast-day held by the newly established community in Palestine.
  4. This also proves that it had a strong hold upon them.
  5. A parasang is 8000 cubits.
  6. Zech. V. 8.
  7. Through the imprisonment of the Tempter sexual lust was dormant throughout creation.
  8. Lit.. 'half and half'. That it may arouse only legitimate sexual desire.
  9. This is Rab's comment.
  10. Num. XXV, 5.
  11. This connects the Heb. [H] hanizmadim, who cleaved, with zamid [H], an exactly fitting lid.
  12. Deut. IV, 4.
  13. [H], dabak, used in this verse, does not imply so strong an attachment as zamad; thus they clung more fervently to Peor than to the Lord.
  14. Deriving hanizmadim from zamid, a bracelet.
  15. This reverses Rab's interpretation.
  16. In Cilicia, mentioned as one of the northern border places of the Land of Israel; Targum Jerus. Num. XXIV, 8; Targum Jonathan b. Uzziel a. I. (Jast.).
  17. A town in Babylonia, on the road to Pumbaditha, 'A.Z. 26a. It may perhaps be identified with Bithra, on the south of the royal canal, on the Seleucian road (A. Neubauer, Geographie du Talmud, p. 363).
  18. [H] i.e., as act of worship.
  19. [He was told that the reading in the Mishnah is [H] AT MERCULIS, implying even as a gesture of contempt.]
  20. On 53a.
  21. As two separate offences, proving that giving one's seed to Molech is not idolatry. The differences is, that if one sacrificed to Molech, or caused his son to pass through the fire to some other deity, he is not punished.
  22. Molech is connected with the idea of kingship. This shews that he too regards any fetish as a Molech.
  23. In his view they did not say the one and the same thing.
  24. I.e., anything which was only temporarily worshipped as Molech, such as a pebble which would obviously not be a permanent idol.] According to R. Hanina b. Antigonus, he is executed even then. But R. Eleazar son of R. Simeon holds that the law applies only to a permanent idol worshipped as Molech.
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R. Jannai said: Punishment is not incurred unless one delivers his seed to the acolytes of Molech,1  for it is said, And thou shalt not give of thy seed to pass through the fire to Molech.2  It has been taught likewise: I might think, that if one caused his seed to pass through the fire to Molech, without first delivering it to the priests, he is liable: therefore the Writ teaches, Thou shalt not give. If he gave it to the priests, but did not cause it to pass through the fire, I might think that he is liable: therefore the Writ states, to pass through. If one delivered it [to the priests of Molech], but caused it to pass through to some other deity, I might think that he is punished: therefore the Writ teaches, to Molech. Now, if he delivered it to the priests and caused it to pass to Molech, but not through the fire, I might think that he is liable:
 
 
 
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but, as here is written, to pass through; and elsewhere it is stated, There shall not he found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire:3  just as there, the reference is to fire, so here too; and just as here the reference is to Molech, so there too.
R. Aha the son of Raba said: If one caused all his seed to pass through [the fire] to Molech, he is exempt from punishment, because it is written, of thy seed implying, but not all thy seed.4
R. Ashi propounded: What if one caused his blind or sleeping son to pass through,5  or if he caused his grandson by his son or daughter to pass through? — One at least of these you may solve. For it has been taught: [Any men … that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall he put to death … And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people;] because he hath given of his seed unto Molech.6 Why is this stated?7  — Because it is said, there shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire.8 From this I know it only of his son or daughter. Whence do I know that it applies to his son's son or daughter's son too? From the verse, [And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man] when he giveth of his seed unto Molech [and kill him not: Then I will … cut him off.]9
Now the Tanna commences with the verse, 'because he hath given of his seed', but concludes with 'when he giveth of his seed'? — This is to intimate another deduction.10  Thus: [because he hath given] of his seed: From this I know only that the law applies to legitimate seed [that being the normal meaning of the word]; whence do I know that it also applies to illegitimate seed?11  — From the verse, when he giveth of his seed.12
Rab Judah said: He is only liable to punishment if he causes his seed to pass through in the normal way. How is that? — Abaye said: There was a loose pile of bricks in the middle, and fire on either side of it.13  Raba said: It was like the children's leaping about on Purim.14  It has been taught in support of Raba. Punishment is incurred only for causing one's seed to pass in the normal fashion; if he caused him to pass through on foot, he is exempt.15  He is liable only for his own issue; e.g., for his son and daughter, he is punished; but for his father or mother, brother or sister, he is not. If he passed through himself, he is free from punishment.16  R. Eleazar son of R. Simeon ruled that he is liable. Further, whether to Molech or to any other idol, he is liable. R. Eleazar son of R. Simeon said: If to Molech, he is liable; if to another idol, he is not.
Ulla said: What is R. Eleazar son of R. Simeon's reason? — Scripture saith, There shall not be found among thee …17  'among thee' means in thyself.18  And the Rabbis? Do they not interpret 'among thee' thus? Surely we have learnt: If one must search for a lost article of his own and of his father's, priority is given to his own. And we observed thereon: Why so? — To which Rab Judah replied: Scripture saith, Save that there shall be no poor among thee,19  teaching
 
 
 
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that one's own loss has priority over that of any other man?20  There the deduction follows from 'save that'.21
R. Jose, son of R. Hanina said: Why is extinction thrice threatened for idolatry?22  — One teaches extinction for the normal worship of idols; one for abnormal; and one for the service of Molech.23 But on the view that Molech worship is included in general idolatry, why is extinction mentioned in its case? — To apply to one who causes his son to pass through to an idol [not Molech], where such is not the normal mode of worship. Now, on the view that a megaddef24  is a worshipper of idols,22  why is extinction stated for it?25  — Even as it has been taught:26  That soul shall surely be cut off from among his people;27  he shall be cut off in this world and in the next: this is R. Akiba's view.28 R. Ishmael said: But the verse has previously stated 'that soul shall be cut off':29  are there then three worlds?30 But [interpret this:] 'and [that soul] shall be cut off' — in this world: 'he is to he cut off' — [of the following verse, and denoted by the infinitive]31  in the next; whilst as for the repetition [the finite form of the verb],32  that is because the Torah employs human phraseology.33

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  1. He explains this to be the meaning of the Mishnah UNLESS HE GIVES IT TO MOLECH.
  2. Lev. XVIII, 21. This proves that the offence consists of two parts; (i) formal delivery to the priests, and (ii) causing the seed to pass through the fire.
  3. Deut. XVIII, 10.
  4. Probably because this would not be accounted a normal mode of Molech worship: cp. pp. 438, 440.
  5. Is 'thou shalt not cause to pass' applicable only to a son who can naturally pass through himself, but not to a blind or sleeping son, who must be led or carried, or does it apply to all?
  6. Lev. XX, 2f.
  7. Since the passage commences by explicitly referring to this offence, why is it repeated?
  8. Deut. XVIII, 10.
  9. Lev. XX, 4. Hence the law applies also to grandsons.
  10. I.e., from the first verse, because etc. we learn that the law applies to one's grandsons too; when he giveth is stated in order that another law may be deduced.
  11. Not in the modern sense, but seed from a woman forbidden to him.
  12. This is superfluous, since it has already been stated twice in that passage that the reference is to this effect. Hence it indicates the application of the law to illegitimate seed.
  13. The victim walked along that pile to Molech, but was not burnt. The statement that Hezekiah was smeared with the blood of the salamander to render him fireproof (63b), shewing that the victim was actually burnt, does not refer to Molech, but to the divinities of Sepharvaim (Rashi).
  14. Probably referring to a game played on Purim when children jump over a fire lit in a pit. According to this, a pit was dug and a fire lit therein, and the victim leaped over it (So Rashi). Jast. translates: 'like the stirrup (a ring suspended from a frame) thrust over a bonfire on Purim;' cp. Aruch.
  15. This proves that the victim did not walk, but leaped to it.
  16. This too proves that the victim was not burnt in passing through the fire to Molech.
  17. Deut. XVIII, 10.
  18. Hence his view that one is liable if he passes through himself.
  19. Deut. XV, 4.
  20. The questioner understood this to be deduced from 'among thee' — in thyself. Since this is not taught in the name of any particular Tanna, it should agree with the Rabbis too.
  21. Heb. [H], implying an admonition to avoid any action which may lead to poverty. Naturally, this is not to be interpreted as permitting dishonesty, but merely insists that poverty must not be courted.
  22. Twice in Lev. XX, 2-5: Whosoever be he … that giveth of his seeds to Molech … I will cut him off from among his people … And if the people of the land … kill him not: Then I will set my face against that man … and will cut him off. Once in Num. XV, 30f. But the soul that doeth aught presumptuously … the same reproacheth the Lord; and that soul shall be cut from among his people. Because he hath despised the word of the Lord. This refers to idolatry.
  23. Which is not included in general idolatry, as stated above.
  24. In Num. XV, 30, the Heb. for 'he reproacheth' is megaddef.
  25. The meaning of megaddef is disputed in Ker. 7b. By a 'worshipper of idols' is meant, e.g., one who sings hymns in a heathen Temple.
  26. Since, being a normal part of idolatry, it is understood.
  27. Num. XV, 31. Continuing the verses quoted in note 3. In the Heb, as usual, this emphasis is denoted by the repetition of the verb, [H]
  28. He interprets the doubling of the verb as referring to two worlds.
  29. Ibid. 30.
  30. Rashi explains that this question is not put to R. Akiba, because he interprets megaddef in that previous verse as referring to blasphemy, not idolatry. But this question is rhetorically stated by R. Ishmael on his own assumption that megaddef means an idol worshipper.
  31. [H]
  32. [H]
  33. In ordinary human speech, such repetition is quite common.
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  Blood Ritual 3: Human Sacrifice, the Talmud, and the Moloch Problem
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Blood Ritual
3: Human Sacrifice, the Talmud, and the Moloch Problem

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No one today seriously suggests present-day Jews sacrifice children to Moloch. Moloch (sometimes spelled "Molech") was an Old Testament god whom the Hebrews worshipped from time to time, and to whom they sacrificed their children. The Babylonian Talmud, however, still permits Jews to sacrifice children to Moloch — under certain conditions.
LORD God Accepts Human Sacrifice
First, let's get perspective. Some mistakenly believe human sacrifice is forbidden in the Old Testament. Certainly, some of the prophets railed against it. But in at least one book, LORD God accepts human sacrifice. And in another book, LORD God is appeased by human sacrifice.
In the following account from the Book of Judges, the Israelite warrior Jephthah is about to set off to make war on the Ammonites. In payment for victory, Jephthah promises LORD God he will sacrifice the first "whatsoever" that comes from his house to greet him upon his return. Unless Jephthah keeps oxen, sheep, goats, or chickens in his living room, he must expect the promised victim will be a human being. Notice that Jephthah does not promise to sacrifice "an ox" or "a goat," etc. (7)

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  1. And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands,
     

  2. Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.
Judges 11:30-31 (KJV)
The first to pass through the doors of Jephthah's house upon his return is his only child, his beloved daughter.
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  1. And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.
  2. And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back.
Judges 11:34-35 (KJV)
Let us reflect for a moment. We know Jephthah vowed to LORD God to sacrifice "whatsoever" first came out of the door of his house. We suspect Jephthah plans to sacrifice one of his servants. But when the "whatsoever" turned out to be Jephthah's daughter, Jephthah is surprised. Notice his daughter's reaction:
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  1. And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the LORD hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.
Judges 11:36 (KJV)
She expresses no surprise that LORD God would accept a human sacrifice, nor does she protest; she does not say, "Father, let's use some common sense. You know LORD God is dead set against human sacrifice. He must have thought an ox would meet you on your return, or perhaps a goat, or one of the chickens. There must be a misunderstanding." Instead, she urges her father to keep his promise. She says:
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  1. And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.
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Jephthah agrees:
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  1. And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.
  2. And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,
  3. That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.
None but perfect animals are permitted to be ritually sacrificed in Judaism. Notice that Jephthah's daughter, too, is a perfect sacrifice — she is a virgin. Notice that LORD God does not stop this human sacrifice, as he stopped the sacrifice of Abraham's son.
The Old Testament does not specify how Jephthah sacrifices his daughter, but following the correct methods for animal sacrifice, he would slit her throat first and drain her blood into a Temple service vessel; cut off her arms, legs, and head; cut the torso in sections, remove her entrails and wash them; pour, sprinkle, and smear her blood at prescribed points around the altar; and burn the flesh. Or of course, a priest might do this for him. Read Animal Sacrifice and the Third Temple for details. (11)
LORD God is Appeased by Human Sacrifice
In 2 Samuel 21, David is king over Judah. A famine oppresses the land; King David learns that LORD God is punishing Israel for King Saul's sin (Saul attacked the Gibeonites in violation of Joshua's treaty Joshua 9:15). Therefore, in order to relieve the famine, David must appease the Gibeonites. On negotiation, the Gibeonites demand to be given seven descendants of Saul to be hanged "unto the LORD." David picks two of Saul's sons and five of Saul's grandsons. Coincidentally, the five grandsons are the children of Michal, the woman David had wanted to marry (see 1 Samuel 18:25). David gives these Israelites to the Gibeonites so the Gibeonites can hang them.
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  1. Then there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David enquired of the LORD. And the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites.
  2. And the king called the Gibeonites, and said unto them; (now the Gibeonites were not of the children of Israel, but of the remnant of the Amorites; and the children of Israel had sworn unto them: and Saul sought to slay them in his zeal to the children of Israel and Judah.)
  3. Wherefore David said unto the Gibeonites, What shall I do for you? and wherewith shall I make the atonement, that ye may bless the inheritance of the LORD?
  4. And the Gibeonites said unto him, We will have no silver nor gold of Saul, nor of his house; neither for us shalt thou kill any man in Israel. And he said, What ye shall say, that will I do for you.
  5. And they answered the king, The man that consumed us, and that devised against us that we should be destroyed from remaining in any of the coasts of Israel,
  6. Let seven men of his sons be delivered unto us, and we will hang them up unto the LORD in Gibeah of Saul, whom the LORD did choose. And the king said, I will give them.
  7. But the king spared Mephibosheth, the son of Jonathan the son of Saul, because of the LORD's oath that was between them, between David and Jonathan the son of Saul.
  8. But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:
  9. And he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them in the hill before the LORD: and they fell all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of barley harvest.
LORD God did not explicitly request the hangings. But LORD God imposed an insufferable famine on the Israelites, LORD God named the Gibeonites as the people to be appeased, and the Gibeonites named the penalty. When it was done, LORD God apparently found the human sacrifice to be satisfactory: the chapter continues with accounts of battles, and the famine is not mentioned further. This sequence — an angry god causes a natural disaster, innocent life is slain to appease the god's anger, and the hardship ceases — this is the same sequence of events found in the human sacrifice rites of other primitive religions.
The Moloch Prohibition
With these precedents in mind, let us now look at two passages from the Old Testament concerning child sacrifice to the idol Moloch (or "Molech"). In the following passages, the words "seed" and "children" are synonymous. First, from Leviticus 18:
King James Version
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  1. And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 18:21 (KJV)
English Standard Version
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  1. You shall not give any of your children to offer them (1) to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 18:21 (ESV)
An ESV footnote gives a literal translation of the original Hebrew phrase: "1. Hebrew to make them pass through [the fire]." Now let's look at Second Kings 23:
King James Version
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  1. And he defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the children of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Molech.
2 Kings 23:10 (KJV)
English Standard Version
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  1. And he defiled Topheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, that no one might burn his son or his daughter as an offering to Molech. (1)
2 Kings 23:10 (ESV)
An ESV footnote gives a literal translation of the original Hebrew phrase: "Hebrew might cause his son or daughter to pass through the fire for Molech."
Now let's look at the relevant cite from the Babylonian Talmud.
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Quote:[b]MISHNAH.[/b] HE WHO GIVES OF HIS SEED TO MOLECH INCURS NO PUNISHMENT UNLESS HE DELIVERS IT TO MOLECH AND CAUSES IT TO PASS THROUGH THE FIRE. IF HE GAVE IT TO MOLECH BUT DID NOT CAUSE IT TO PASS THROUGH THE FIRE, OR THE REVERSE, HE INCURS NO PENALTY, UNLESS HE DOES BOTH.
— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 64a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 437
Following the Mishnah is a discussion among the sages. One of the Talmud Sages, Rabbi Ashi, comments as follows:
Quote:[b]GEMARA.[/b] R. Ashi propounded: What if one caused his blind or sleeping son to pass through, (3) or if he caused his grandson by his son or daughter to pass through? — One at least of these you may solve. For it has been taught: [Any men … that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall he put to death … And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people;] because he hath given of his seed unto Molech. Why is this stated? — Because it is said, there shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire. From this I know it only of his son or daughter. Whence do I know that it applies to his son's son or daughter's son too? From the verse, [And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man] when he giveth of his seed unto Molech [and kill him not: Then I will … cut him off.]
— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 64b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 439
Rabbi Dr. Freedman, one of the translators of the Soncino Tractate Sanhedrin, clarifies the passage. In a footnote, Rabbi Dr. Freedman confirms that the Talmud Sages use "seed" to denote living children, in the same sense as the Biblical translators understand the term in the above Biblical quotes. In this footnote, Rabbi Dr. Freedman paraphrases the question from Rabbi Ashi:
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  1. Is 'thou shalt not cause to pass' applicable only to a son who can naturally pass through himself, but not to a blind or sleeping son, who must be led or carried, or does it apply to all?
— Rabbi Dr. Freedman
Other footnotes within the same context clarify the fine point of distinction being drawn in the Mishnah and subsequent debates among the sages:
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  1. Lev. XVIII, 21. This proves that the offence consists of two parts; (i) formal delivery to the priests, and (ii) causing the seed to pass through the fire.
— Rabbi Dr. Freedman (2)
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  1. As two separate offences, proving that giving one's seed to Molech is not idolatry. The differences [sic] is, that if one sacrificed to Molech, or caused his son to pass through the fire to some other deity, he is not punished.
— Rabbi Dr. Freedman (3)
Following the Mishnah, Sanhedrin 64a and 64b contain a rousing debate between the Sages concerning:

  • the circumstances under which worshipping an idol is idolatry,

  • which idols may be worshipped without indulging in idolatry,

  • which parts of child sacrifice in what combination are punishable, and

  • how children may be sacrificed without violating Leviticus.
Interested students should look up Sanhedrin 64a and 64b and read the entire text, including footnotes. The complete version of Come and Hear™ contains Sanhedrin 64a-64b at htp://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_64.html. For those to whom Tractate Sanhedrin is not available, the relevant text is included in the Appendix: Extract from Sanhedrin 64a and 64b.
The 1908 Catholic Encyclopedia contains an entry on Moloch that is of interest. The Catholic Encyclopedia states that the children were burned "after the victims had been put to death" — without citing any authority. This statement is directly contradicted by Rabbi Ashi and by Rabbi Dr. Freedman in the passages quoted above, wherein they consider the case of "a blind or sleeping son, who must be led or carried" to the fire. (Paragraphing has been added to this Catholic Encyclopedia excerpt to aid in readability).
Quote:The chief feature of Moloch's worship among the Jews seems to have been the sacrifice of children, and the usual expression for describing that sacrifice was "to pass through the fire", a rite carried out after the victims had been put to death.
 
The special centre of such atrocities was just outside of Jerusalem, at a place called Tophet (probably "place of abomination"), in the valley of Geennom. According to III (I) Kings, xi, 7, Solomon erected "a temple" for Moloch "on the hill over against Jerusalem", and on this account he is at times considered as the monarch who introduced the impious cult into Israel. After the disruption, traces of Moloch worship appear in both Juda and Israel.
 
The custom of causing one's children to pass through the fire seems to have been general in the Northern Kingdom [IV (II) Kings, xvii, 17; Ezech. xxiii, 37], and it gradually grew in the Southern, encouraged by the royal example of Achaz (IV Kings, xvi, 3) and Manasses [IV (II) Kings, xvi, 6] till it became prevalent in the time of the prophet Jeremias (Jerem. xxxii, 35), when King Josias suppressed the worship of Moloch and defiled Tophet [IV (II) Kings, xxiii, 13 (10)]. It is not improbable that this worship was revived under Joakim and continued until the Babylonian Captivity …
 
… Of late, numerous attempts have been made to prove that in sacrificing their children to Moloch the Israelites simply thought that they were offering them in holocaust to Yahweh. In other words, the Melech to whom child-sacrifices were offered was Yahweh under another name. To uphold this view appeal is made in particular to Jer., vii, 31; xix, 5, and to Ezech., xx, 25-31. But this position is to say the least improbable. The texts appealed to may well be understood otherwise, and the prophets expressly treat the cult of Moloch as foreign and as an apostasy from the worship of the true God. The offerings by fire, the probable identity of Moloch with Baal, and the fact that in Assyria and Babylonia Malik, and at Palmyra Malach-bel, were sun-gods, have suggested to many that Moloch was a fire- or sun-god.
— Catholic Encyclopedia (4)
Lessons Learned
It is indeed unfortunate that the Jewish religion has not repudiated the doctrine that children may be sacrificed to Moloch. That doctrine, along with prayers in the Jewish liturgy calling for the return of ritual blood sacrifice (see Animal Sacrifice and the Third Temple), surely adds credence to charges that Jews engage in the ritual blood sacrifice of children. (See, for example, William Thomas Walsh's Isabella of Spain (12) concerning the ritualistic murder of a four-year-old Spanish boy; and a historical overview of the subject, Jewish Ritual Murder, a Historical Investigation, written in 1941 by Hellmut Schramm, Ph.D. (10)
Many societies and religions have practices in their histories of which they are not proud. Certainly the United States had slavery, as did many other countries. Catholicism had the persecution of Protestants, and Protestants had the persecution of Catholics; Europe had feudalism, Mexico had human sacrifice, and India had widow burnings (sati, the practice of burning a widow at her late husband's funeral). Scandinavia had the Vikings and reavers, Italy had the excesses of the Roman Empire, and China had foot-binding. Among all those people there came the admission, eventually, that those practices were not appropriate, and as hard on the pride as it was, they accepted responsibility and repudiated their former behaviors.
Repudiating the Talmud doctrines that approve of ritually sacrificing children (under certain conditions) would go a long way to creating good will between Judaism and people of other religious faiths. Christians and Muslims, too, should reexamine the Old Testament Scriptures. Is this really the church/mosque they want their children attending?
Thank you for your consideration of the above,
Carol A. Valentine,  Ear at come-and-hear dot com
July 14, 2003 ( This article is on line at http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/br_3.html )

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  PROOF NWO & ILLUMINATI ARE REAL & HISTORY IS A LIE
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This video blocked in 51 countries WHY??? try to dispute this please, We have all been duped. The world is not what we have been told, and is run by unbelievably sick Satanic "people".






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  1833 falling stars
Posted by: anthonyk - 12-10-2017, 05:49 AM - Forum: End Of Days - Replies (1)

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"And the stars shall fall from heaven." Matthew 24:29
The Stars Fall from Heaven
"And the stars shall fall from heaven." Matthew 24:29.

The great star shower took place on the night of November 13, 1833. It was so bright that a newspaper could be read on the street. One writer says, "For nearly four hours the sky was literally ablaze."* Men thought the end of the world had come. Look into this. It is most fascinating, and a sign of Christ's coming.

*Peter A. Millman, "The Falling of the Stars," The Telescope, 7 (May-June, 1940) 57.

For further commentary on this event please continue reading:

Stars Fall From Heaven
In 1833, the last of the signs appeared which were promised by the Saviour as tokens of his second advent. Said Jesus, "The stars shall fall from heaven." Matt. 24:29. And John in the Revelation declared, as he beheld in vision the scenes that herald the day of God: "The stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig-tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind." Rev. 6:13. This prophecy received a striking and impressive fulfillment in the great meteoric shower of November 13, 1833. That was the most extensive and wonderful display of falling stars which has ever been recorded; "the whole firmament, over all the United States, being then, for hours, in fiery commotion. No celestial phenomenon has ever occurred in this country, since its first settlement, which was viewed with such intense admiration by one class in the community, or such dread and alarm by another." "Its sublimity and awful beauty still linger in many minds. . . . Never did rain fall much thicker than the meteors fell toward the earth; east, west, north, and south, it was the same. In a word, the whole heavens seemed in motion. . . . The display, as described in Professor Silliman's journal, was seen all over North America. . . . From two o'clock until broad daylight, the sky being perfectly serene and cloudless, an incessant play of dazzlingly brilliant luminosities was kept up in the whole heavens."

[Image: falling_stars.jpg]"No language indeed can come up to the splendor of that magnificent display; no one who did not witness it can form an adequate conception of its glory. It seemed as if the whole starry heavens had congregated at one point near the zenith, and were simultaneously shooting forth, with the velocity of lightning, to every part of the horizon; and yet they were not exhausted--thousands swiftly followed in the track of thousands, as if created for the occasion." "A more correct picture of a fig-tree casting its figs when blown by a mighty wind, it is not possible to behold."

On the day following its appearance, Henry Dana Ward wrote thus of the wonderful phenomenon: "No philosopher or scholar has told or recorded an event, I suppose, like that of yesterday morning. A prophet eighteen hundred years ago foretold it exactly, if we will be at the trouble of understanding stars falling to mean falling stars, in the only sense in which it is possible to be literally true."

Thus was displayed the last of those signs of his coming, concerning which Jesus bade his disciples, "When ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors." Matt. 24:33. After these signs, John beheld, as the great event next impending, the heavens departing as a scroll, while the earth quaked, mountains and islands removed out of their places, and the wicked in terror sought to flee from the presence of the Son of man.

Many who witnessed the falling of the stars, looked upon it as a herald of the coming Judgment,--"an awful type, a sure forerunner, a merciful sign, of that great and dreadful day." Thus the attention of the people was directed to the fulfillment of prophecy, and many were led to give heed to the warning of the second advent.

Source 
http://www.finalevents.com/Event1/Sign06.asp?p=O 

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  Prepare for the Antichrist Now
Posted by: anthonyk - 12-07-2017, 06:18 AM - Forum: My Writings and Research - Replies (1)

And now Trump has done just that, so now I will stop endorsing him or even giving him the benefit of a doubt. With this move, we step one more step closer to the New World Order of the Antichrist, which I believe is his son-in-law. If you are not a Prepper now is the time to start. Read below picture for details.  



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2 Thessalonians 2   King James Version

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

  Then another one is 

Matthew 24:15 
 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understandSmile

Again, this cannot take place without the Temple exists. 
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  It goes without saying that as long as the Temple is not built, the antichrist cannot take power. Now it can be built. I have only cited a few of many scriptures that show the location and yes, even the ethnicity of the antichrist.

   One of the things most miss is the falling away that is mentioned. Big name, TV, Radio, Mega Church and many smaller churches mimicking the "big Names" are and have been preaching a revival that is supposed to be taking place today, yet at the same time preaching Rapture. This is opposite to what the Holy Bible teaches. On my fallen boards, one would see hundreds of hours of research and quotes, yet this will not be the case on this one. This one has real-time constraints, ones I knew would come but they even snuck upon me. With Trump announcing that Jerusalem will now be part of Israel, the stage is set. I would love to be able to tell you how to prep for the coming days, and yes, the scriptures say we will be here during at least part of Tribulation. Read that again. I am not sure just how much Doomsday we can prep for, but some beats none.

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  Did Jesus claim to be God The Father?
Posted by: hilly7 - 11-14-2017, 03:28 AM - Forum: My Writings and Research - Replies (1)

  It would seem to be answered differently depending on who one asks as to who Jesus really was. Islamic say He was a great Prophet. Judaism studying the Torah would also agree while those studying the Talmud (Babylonian most common), say He was a witch burning in His own excrement. If depends on Christians by not only denomination but also locations if He was/is The Son Of God or actually just a division of only one God. I'm not real good at believing what someone   "thinks" what is told, I'd rather go by what we were told, especially by those most close to Him as well as Himself.


Matthew 16: (KJV)

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

One of the things frequently missed or skipped is the back drop for where things take place, in this case especially. Behind Jesus was where the 200 Angels came down and for a while resided until God split the earth into shares or portions. That said, even some remained there, ones such as Pan. It is on ly when things like this are known does a scripture take on the whole meaning.


Matthew 7:20-22  (KJV)

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

In this, Jesus clearly shows there is a difference between Him and His Father.

Matthew 6: (KJV)
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

9 After this manner therefore pray ye:
       Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

In this, Jesus directs us to pray to His Father, and in this case says "Our Father". Matthew has many references to Heavenly Father and Father in Heaven, oddly enough, Father is spelled capitalized while many times Jesus' other names like Son or Man, Son of God, etc, is not. This clearly shows a difference between the two.


Matthew 10:31-33King James Version (KJV)

31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

In these verses Jesus clearly shows that there are two (2) different beings present along with a third that stands before judgement. He clearly separates Him from His father as being different.


  Matthew 11: (KJV)
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Lets put that in modern English:

Matthew 11:26-27New American Standard Bible (NASB)

26 Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight.

27 All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

Makes a little more sense now?


Matthew 12:49-50King James Version (KJV)

49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

This in and of itself pretty much is straight on.

Matthew 15:12-14King James Version (KJV)

12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

One really needs to read this well, I was unaware of this until I started this research. Note: Who were/are the Pharisees?  Jews in Judaism, who's ancestors were the seeds sown.

Matthew 16:16-18King James Version (KJV)

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


Matthew 16:26-28King James Version (KJV)

26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Matthew 18: (KJV)

10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.


In just these 2 verses much are started apart from Jesus is the Son Of God and not God the Father. These children have Angels in Heaven lending way that we do have personal Angels assigned to us. The next verse should tell us that God loves and wants all His children to make it to Heaven, not just the ones we like. Through His Son, Jesus the Christ, all now have that opportunity.

Just in case you think I am grabbing at things or twisting scripture...

14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
 

Matthew 18:18-20King James Version (KJV)

18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Verse 18, if I may jump off subject again, tells that you will reap what you sow... IE:Karma. Verse 19 speaks for itself and in verse 20 if they were the same being then what would be the point in making the distinction?


Matthew 18:34-35King James Version (KJV)

34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.


Matthew 20:23King James Version (KJV)

23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.



Matthew 23:8-10King James Version (KJV)
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.


Matthew 24:35-37King James Version (KJV)
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matthew 25:33-35King James Version (KJV)

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Matthew 26:29King James Version (KJV)
29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Matthew 26:39King James Version (KJV)
39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt

Matthew 26:52-54King James Version (KJV)

52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?


Matthew 28:18-20King James Version (KJV)
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.



One must use common sense. This is not coded in a hidden message but straight forward.

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  My Evaluation of 2 Hemp Oil Products, CBD PURE & ELIXINOL
Posted by: hilly7 - 10-26-2017, 04:33 AM - Forum: Herbal 7 Natural Medicine - No Replies

My Evaluation of 2 Hemp Oil Products, CBD PURE & ELIXINOL



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